Tonelab EX Connected to AD120VTX

[danpalex]

Does anyone have any experience connecting the new Tonelab EX to the AD120VTX. Can it be connected in the loop effects or is it connected on the low or high input into the amp. I am worried about having 2 preamps in series. If connected directly to amp, what position would I put the switch on tonelab in? Vox, F, M or line. The vox position seems to be for specific vox amps. Are there any specific setting recommended for the amp. Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks

Tonelab EX Operation Manual
http://www.voxamps.de/uploads/media/ToneLabEX_OM_E1.pdf

[danpalex]

I found this infomation but still need some clarification. Hopefully this will help any others looking to do the same thing.
http://www.facebook.com/VOXamps?v=app_2 ... opic=13905

[Old Fuzzface]

I've connected by BOSS GT-10 to my 120VTX a couple of different ways.

1) Using the stereo outputs of the GT-10 into the L & R loop returns on the VTX. Guitar plugged into the GT-10 so not using the VTX pre-amp at all

2) GT-10 stereo outputs to VTX L & R loop returns. VTX L loop send to GT-10 input. GT-10 is completely within the VTX loop.

3) As (2) but using the S/R loop on the GT-10 (I've no idea if the Tonleab has a loop but if it has this is great) so that the chain goes GTR - GT-10 input - GT-10 loop Send - VTX input - VTX loop L out - GT-10 loop Return - GT-10 main outputs - VTX loop L & R returns

[danpalex]

I connected my Tonelab just as you did. Output directly into L & R Return FX loop. Sounded good but Amp Model selection still mattered. I guess there is no way to turn it completely off.
I also connected directly into the low sid and set the amp on manual override. I still had to select the amp style. Sounded good but still looking for the best sound.
Tonelab has no loop just In and out.

[Voxman]

I have yet to understand why anyone with a modeling amp such as an AD120VTX would want to hook it up to a modeling MFX unit. If you prefer the modeling & FX from an MFX unit such as a TLST or Boss G10, my advice is either put it through the PA or use a straight non-modeling amp.

Arguably a flat response, full range (FRFR) amp will release the true potential of your MFX unit's modeling because it will 'colour' the tone less than a conventional amp and allow the modeling to shine through. But having said that I get superb valve tone using the TLST direct (not in the FX loop) through my Class A Laney VC30-210 & 1x12" extn cab.

But IMHO a modeling MFX unit with a modeling amp is a big 'no-no' simply because the different amp modeling will conflict - unless you turn OFF the modeling and cab models in your MFX and just use it for FX. Either way, it seems to me guys that you're either wasting the potential of your amp, or the modeling MFX unit.

And as for the Boss GT10 (& I have experience with all the GT units - I even owned a GT3 & GT6 for a while) - Yes, it has great effects, with some excellent features, and functionality - but how anyone could prefer the GT10's sterile digital 'COSM' amp modeling to the warm valve-like modeling in an AD120VTX is totally beyond me!

I would add though that the latest Boss GT12 is a big improvement. I tried one recently and have to say that it's the first Boss unit I've played that is definitely 'getting there' & is so far the best modeling I've yet heard from a Boss product. It's still not as organic as Vox, but it's noticeably more responsive, warmer & more natural sounding than any of its predecessors.

Horses for courses I suppose - but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents for whatever its worth.

[Old Fuzzface]

Hi Rich,

Going a bit OT here but I totally agree with you - that's why I have my current set-up using the FX from the BOSS and the amps from the VTX - I get the the best bits of both units.

This wasn't really practical until I found out from the "computer control" thread that VoxBus is MIDI in disguise. Now I use the GT-10 MIDI out to switch the patches on the VTX so I can control everything from one pedal unit.

The COSM amps on the GT are OK but comparing even the best of them with the VTX versions I find the VTX is better. The next GT-xx will have to have much better amp modelling to beat the VTX.

[stratdeluxer97]

I own both a Valvetronix VTH 120 head and a ToneLab LE...I either will run my ToneLab LE into a 66 Fender Pro Reverb combo or into a 1973 Marshall 50 watt head...The one time I did try running the TLLE into the VTH 120,it sounded very colored and pretty bad..These days I run either setup but mostly the ToneLab into a nice sounding tube amp..I mostly use the VTH head at home to practice through,but once in awhile I do gig with it..

[Bartlettpsj]

Wow you tried a gt-12, didn't know they were ready yet. Love to know how they go with ad120vt. Of course, wouldn't,t want to lose the warmth of the amp, nor the fantastic chorus.

[Voxman]

Wow you tried a gt-12, didn't know they were ready yet. Love to know how they go with ad120vt.

GT12 isn't out yet AFAIK (?)

Of course, wouldn't want to lose the warmth of the amp, nor the fantastic chorus.

Then don't add a modeling MFX unit! Or if you feel you have to, turn off the amp/cab modeling in the MFX & use it for effects only.

[Morty123]

The new Boss unit is the GT-100 due out in April.