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Someone offered my a screaming deal, but!!

Postby lareplus » 14 Jan 2012, 06:05

On an AD15VT-XL. . .

however, it's under powered and the sound is said to be "boxy." I never heard one.

can any problems be rectified by swapping out the speaker. . .or are the problems more extensive than that. What I'm thinking of doing is pairing it with a 15R with an upgraded speaker ( ragin cajun ) and the theory is that those two together will allow me to play with guys playing larger amps. .

Can two amps each with a 100 dbls compete with larger amps, or will they be lost in the mix. The larger amps probably won't have as efficient a speaker. . .and for live shows it could be mic'd. . .however, in practices they will have to stand on their own. .
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Re: Someone offered my a screaming deal, but!!

Postby Voxman » 14 Jan 2012, 12:20

A speaker change may give some tonal & volume enhancement but you won't turn it into a gigging amp; it is what it is. The AD15VT-XL is a practice/small club amp with a 10" speaker (the equivalent AD15VT only had an 8" speaker).

As background, the XL's (Xtreme Lead) were brought out solely to meet demand (which turned out to be significantly over-estimated) in the US for higher gain models. Although the XL's had some following/supporters, ultimately lack-lustre sales meant that these were only in production for a relatively short time.

Two 15w amps with 100dB speakers - will give a wider, bigger sound but clean headroom & over all volume is still going to be limited & IMHO may still struggle in a mix. But it does depend on type of music & overall volume levels. There are some youtube clips of 15w Valvetronix amps on stage unmiked & they do surprisingly well.

I've recently replaced the stock Celestion Rocket 50 (95dB) in my all-valve class A/B Laney Cub 15w with a Celestion Vintage 30 (100dB). Big difference in tonal quality & volume (see my 'voxman5' channel on you-tube for demos) and I think it's definitely loud enough for rehearsals & maybe smaller gigs, but clean headroom will still be limited. As an all-valve amp its louder in real terms than a 15w Valvetronix and you'd likely need a 30w Valvetronix AD30VT, AD30VT-XL, VT30 or VT40+ to compete with it.

If you're going to gig without miking up to the PA, volume wise you're going to need at least a 50 watt amp. The boxiness you refer to is not the AD15VT-XL per-se, merely a symptom of any combo amp with a single speaker in a small cabinet. I have the latest VTX150 Pro on loan - very nice amp, very very loud, and great tone/versatility....but within the limits of a single 12" in a small cab, it too is boxy as compared to my 2x12" AD120VTX. A 1x12" extn cab is available for it (which I don't have) and that will make a huge difference. However, it will still lack the 'reinforcement' effect of 2 speakers in a single larger cab - it's just physics.

If you want a fuller, bigger tone for gigging (un-miked) IMHO you need a 2x12" amp. In the Valvetronix series these are: AD120VT/VTX, AD100VT, AD100VTH (head) plus cab, AD100VTXL, VT100, VT120+, or the new VTX150 Pro Neodymium (definitely loud enough on its own, but fuller tone & rated at 300w with the extn cab!).

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Re: Someone offered my a screaming deal, but!!

Postby lareplus » 18 Jan 2012, 01:26

Thanks for your excellent and detailed response, Voxman. I think instead I will look at the AD100vth.
Also, thanks for mentioning your channel for demos. I will check that out.
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