Recording

[mikell128]

Just wondering how any of you guys record the vox's. I tried the other day with an SM57 but im pretty sure my micing technique is alittle lacking as i couldnt really get the tone I wanted.

On that note, how do you guys get your songs down with this amp, does anybody go direct in and able to get a good tone? has anybody gotten a good tone while micing? If so any tips on micing techniques?

Thanks guys

[Voxman]

I've done a little recording with a cheap mic, and direct, via Cubase, but I'm not very good at this myself. You can hear my quite amateur efforts here (go to change player at the top and select the second option, not the 'external windows player detected', or some won't play because of the codecs):-

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/?aid=5164/album1612

Rich

[bclarke675]

I've used the line out on my AD60VTX to record, and have been happy with the results. We don't have a finished product yet for me to post, but we hope to after this weekend. I've mainly used the UK'80s model so far, with some tube od, chorus, delay and reverb.

As far as micing techniques, I've read that mid-way between the center and edge of the speaker is the best placement for the mic, with opinions differing as to whether it is best to be on the cab or some distance away.

[PHRS]

I am currently recording a cd of my band in my homestudio and am using an AD120VT for the guitars.

I don't have good mics to do the recordings, so I have to record the guitars direct.

I have recorded before using a behringer V-amp 2 and a Bass V-amp, as well as a rolland cube 15 direct and also conecting the guitar to a marshall jackhammer straight to the board and after it is recorded I used a program named "Pristine Sounds" to use the "spectral normalization" tool. I got my ad120vt 4 months ago and am still getting used to it. What I wanted when I went to record was that the result direct could be as close as it were possible to the sound coming from the speakers.

The first shoot I gave was on the "Line out" jacks on the back. No good. Too much treble. It was like there were no cab simulation there. The distortions sounded way too fizzy and thin. It was a great frustration, since i've heard people had good results with these.

Anyway... I tried using the "loop send" jacks. These jacks send only the pre-amp sound. Then I thought I would record it through here and then run some cab simulation plug-in. It was a better result then the line out, but the levels were a little too low, demanding a lot of volume normalization. The results (loop send -> cab sim from guitar rig 3) sounded a little "lifeless", lacking some treble, but still good and useful in terms of tone, but not in terms of volume, since the levels from the loop send jacks were so low and needed to be raised, resulting in more noise. Maybe with other cab sim you could get better results.

The final test and the best result I got was using the "Phone Out" jack. Well I believe that the output through this jack have a much better cab simulation than the "line out" and it has a LOTS of volume, wich you can control through the level knob (i set mine in the same way that the "power select" knob looks when in 15x2). I think that the valve reaktor circuit also comes through this output more nicely than with the "line out" jacksand the "loop send" out only sends the pre-amp sound, hence, no valve reacktor. Anyway, it's not equal to the sound you produce with the amps speakers, but it is the best direct out this amp has and with some tweaking you can get the sound to be just like you wanted (lowering the trebles just a bit). I don't have how to post a clip for you guys to listen to, but just test it yourself with the "phone out" and tweak the treble a little and I think you'll get the best results out of this amp alone. Of course, you could get an equalizer between the amps "phone jack" and the pc to get the sounds to be as close as it gets to the sound from the speakers without messing with the treble in your channnels.

Since I don't use all of the 32 presets, I'm doing as follows: I program the first 16 with the sounds I use through the speakers and the last 16 (the ones with the dots) i use for the direct outs throu the phone jack. I just set the preset i want from the first 16, set all the knobs to the "original vallue" and then tweak a little the treble and then save it to the same position in the dotted presets like 1-4 (speakers) and 1-4. (phone out)

Hope it helped and I would like to hear what you guys think.


P.S.: sorry about the lame english... I'm from Brazil

[AndySkinner]

Without spending a fortune I`ve managed to get good sounds by mixing a direct line in signal (see below) with a mic`ed amp.

The Line6 Toneport GX is cheap and good for getting some decent sounds down, and then either overdub and mix with a mic`ed amp, or with some cable trickery output the guitar to both sources and mix in realtime. As mentioned often the best guitar sound can be captured by mic`ing the speaker cone off axis. Although everyones ears are different and some prefer centre axis, or the mic further away from the cone.

[Blueswaite]

Alot of times you have to experiment with the mic placing to find the sweet spot.
I don't play out much anymore but to mike amps Shure 57s were the mainstay. But you are going into a pa board with eqing.
you could run the mike into a small mixer than the mixer into your recording source. Alot of people will record a dry track and then reamp to get a sound they want.
Good Luck

[surfsup]

I bought a reamp. Best 200 I ever spent. I can record direct (guitar into the presonus). Then I run it out back into the amp linein jack.

Since I can't afford $400 reverb plugins for my PC, and I like the sound I get from my amp, I can play the track back through my amp as many times as I want. I loop it for a 5-10 second section of importance, and dial in the effects. When they are good, I record the new track using a SM57.

If I need better mic angle afterwards, I can reamp again with a different mic position and even multitrack the same track.

Just using the reamp is tricky, or you get some crazy feedback. Make sure you understand how to use it.

Its also weird at first listening to a ghost playing your amp without a guitar plugged in.

[Nik]

I am currently recording a cd of my band in my homestudio and am using an AD120VT for the guitars.

I don't have good mics to do the recordings, so I have to record the guitars direct.

I have recorded before using a behringer V-amp 2 and a Bass V-amp, as well as a rolland cube 15 direct and also conecting the guitar to a marshall jackhammer straight to the board and after it is recorded I used a program named "Pristine Sounds" to use the "spectral normalization" tool. I got my ad120vt 4 months ago and am still getting used to it. What I wanted when I went to record was that the result direct could be as close as it were possible to the sound coming from the speakers.

The first shoot I gave was on the "Line out" jacks on the back. No good. Too much treble. It was like there were no cab simulation there. The distortions sounded way too fizzy and thin. It was a great frustration, since i've heard people had good results with these.

Anyway... I tried using the "loop send" jacks. These jacks send only the pre-amp sound. Then I thought I would record it through here and then run some cab simulation plug-in. It was a better result then the line out, but the levels were a little too low, demanding a lot of volume normalization. The results (loop send -> cab sim from guitar rig 3) sounded a little "lifeless", lacking some treble, but still good and useful in terms of tone, but not in terms of volume, since the levels from the loop send jacks were so low and needed to be raised, resulting in more noise. Maybe with other cab sim you could get better results.

The final test and the best result I got was using the "Phone Out" jack. Well I believe that the output through this jack have a much better cab simulation than the "line out" and it has a LOTS of volume, wich you can control through the level knob (i set mine in the same way that the "power select" knob looks when in 15x2). I think that the valve reaktor circuit also comes through this output more nicely than with the "line out" jacksand the "loop send" out only sends the pre-amp sound, hence, no valve reacktor. Anyway, it's not equal to the sound you produce with the amps speakers, but it is the best direct out this amp has and with some tweaking you can get the sound to be just like you wanted (lowering the trebles just a bit). I don't have how to post a clip for you guys to listen to, but just test it yourself with the "phone out" and tweak the treble a little and I think you'll get the best results out of this amp alone. Of course, you could get an equalizer between the amps "phone jack" and the pc to get the sounds to be as close as it gets to the sound from the speakers without messing with the treble in your channnels.

Since I don't use all of the 32 presets, I'm doing as follows: I program the first 16 with the sounds I use through the speakers and the last 16 (the ones with the dots) i use for the direct outs throu the phone jack. I just set the preset i want from the first 16, set all the knobs to the "original vallue" and then tweak a little the treble and then save it to the same position in the dotted presets like 1-4 (speakers) and 1-4. (phone out)

Hope it helped and I would like to hear what you guys think.


P.S.: sorry about the lame english... I'm from Brazil

Interesting - since the Line out and the Phones out are the same signal, but on different jacks.
Only difference is that connecting to the phones output mutes the power amp output stage, and so kills all interaction between the Valve Reactor circuit and the speaker.

[marty mcfly]

how about doing a stereo recording ???. Is that posible record that in only one take with a Phonic Am220 mixer and a M-audio audiohile 192 sound card ?